Dirty tricks of debt collection: What you need to know
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With more Americans than ever falling behind on their house, car and credit card payments, collection agents are turning up the heat and getting tough on debtors in an effort to recoup overdue funds. "Some collection agents attacked my integrity," says Ken Golde (pictured), who was more than $200,000 in debt in 2007 after his business partner died unexpectedly. "They'd say, 'How can you look yourself in the mirror?' And one asked me, 'Do you have a wife? Do you have a girlfriend? What would your girlfriend think?'"
This sort of shaming happened often, says Golde: "One asked, 'Don't you feel just wrong about this?' Another asked, 'Don't you have any integrity?'"
As Golde unfortunately discovered, some bill collectors get rude and invasive. In some cases, they even cross line of legality. WalletPop spoke with lawyers and consumer advocates to find out what debt collectors can legally threaten you with -- and how to know when they've crossed the line.
Crossing the line into harassment
The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA), a federal law that applies to third-party debt collectors, prohibits what it refers to as "harassment." "[A] debt collector can't use obscene language or threaten violence," says Chi Chi Wu, an attorney at the National Consumer Law Center in Boston. They are, however, allowed to talk down to you and make you feel crummy about yourself.
Four years ago, Denise Brown was 42 years old, $65,000 in debt and humbly moving back in with her parents after a business venture that she started failed to turn a profit.The collectors soon found her at her new residence, though. While the majority of the collection agents she dealt with were courteous, she recalls some who weren't so nice. "They were so angry with me," says Brown.
One agent, in particular, threw her into a panic after insisting that her debt couldn't be negotiated, settled or paid off more slowly. (That's not true, you always have the power to negotiate.) According to Brown, the agent would demand to know when she was going to pay, then reject her offer as not good enough. "I just felt like I was this terrible criminal," she says.
No matter what, you have the right to be treated professionally, says Robert Hobbs, an attorney with the National Consumer Law Center. "If they're doing something that causes you anxiety and anguish, at that point, you need to start taking notes," he says. "If you're being mistreated by debt collectors, there are lawyers in almost every state that will represent you on a contingency basis."
Aside from using profanity or threatening violence, debt collectors are also forbidden to call your friends, family and co-workers in order to spread the word that you were delinquent on your debts. Yet, some collectors are still legally able to get around this rule because of a loophole: Collection agencies are allowed to call people who know you if they're trying to track you down.
One collection agent called Golde's father looking for his phone number and made a point of saying Golde was delinquent on a debt. Golde hadn't changed his phone number for nearly two decades and had been in touch with that same agency earlier, making him suspicious that the creditor was just trying to hurt his reputation.
Despite what you may have heard, bill collectors cannot threaten you with jail time. There are no debtors' prisons in the U.S. But threatening imprisonment is a common tactic for bill collectors targeting immigrant communities, since they are less likely to be familiar with U.S. laws and may even come from a country that does jail debtors.
The phone won't stop ringing
Besides bullying and threats, debt collectors also try to break debtors down through persistent phone calls. "I had seven different accounts, and I would sometimes get two, three, even four phone calls a day," Golde says. "At the beginning, the conversations were stressful. The intent was to throw me emotionally."
The FDCPA stipulates that a collection agency can't call you "repeatedly," meaning that your phone would ring continuously with their calls. Other than that, though, there are no limits placed on how many times an agency can contact you. One exception is the state of Massachusetts, which sets a limit of two calls per week per account.
To stop the calls, send a letter by certified mail stipulating that the company no longer can contact you regarding your debt. They legally have to stop once they receive the letter. The only exceptions are if they're contacting you to tell you they've waived your debt (unlikely) or that they're suing you for it (more likely). They can also sell the debt to another collection agency, which means you'll have to start all over again.
Getting sued by your creditors
Unfortunately, debt collectors can and do sue people. If you receive a lawsuit, verify that it is legitimate by visiting the courthouse and looking for the filing paperwork. It's illegal for a collection agency to send a letter saying they are suing you if they haven't actually done so. If this happens, contact your state's Attorney General and the Federal Trade Commission and file a complaint, says Jose Garcia, associate director for research and policy at advocacy group Demos.
Claudia Wilner, senior staff attorney for Neighborhood Economic Development Advocacy Project, says verification is crucial. Collection agents will sometimes tell a debtor not to worry about a lawsuit, hoping that you won't show up to defend yourself in court. You can't win if you don't show up to court, but you can lose. "People get served with legal process papers and don't appear in court," Wilner says, "and the next thing is, they have a default judgment against them."
A lawsuit isn't the end of the world, though. Golde says he was threatened with legal action and often told his accounts were in "pre legal" status -- a meaningless term from the standpoint of the courts. When Golde was sued by one creditor, they added interest, legal fees and damages to his debt, which hiked it from $18,000 to $22,500. Even this can be negotiated, Golde says. He settled before the case ever hit a courtroom - for just $10,000.
Where to find help
Being over your head in debt is a scary and depressing place to be. If you believe your rights have been violated, search for an attorney at the National Association of Consumer Advocates web site.
There are also several resources out there to help you turn your finances around. The National Foundation for Credit Counseling makes sure all of its members uphold certain standards and pass certification; its web site is a good place to start if you're looking for a credit counselor.
You can also try negotiating with the creditors directly. Golde pared his debt down to a manageable amount by getting bill collectors to accept a percentage of what he owed, a stressful, months-long process that ultimately spared him the cost and stigma of bankruptcy. He even wrote a how-to book drawing on his experience and offering advice to others. See our story here with tips from Golde.
The most important thing to remember is there's no quick fix (and companies that promise a quick fix are just trying to make a buck at your expense), but there is a way out. Even if you've racked up a lot of credit card debt, there's no reason for it to take over your life.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 10)
1-18-2010 @ 8:33AM
Betty Leach said...
That there is no easy way is very true. I tried Consumer Credit Counseling - they advised I file bankruptcy because business debt was past our ability to pay. I wasn't Inc. or LLc so my personal credit and my husbands was destroyed. I filed bankruptcy after 8 months of "negotiating" with credit cards and etc. Settlement type agreements fell thru after 3 months, the phone calls were by automation and started promptly at 8 am. I worked 3rd shift. The form letter the CCCS gave me did very little good. Big business like Chase, Discover, BanK of America did NOT desist at all. Surprisingly American Express which was a business account totally was willing to "make a deal" lower interest, stop interest and accept lower payments. Unfortunately the other companies, some over 25 years at A1 credit were No and NO. After months of forms, letters, lawyers expense I was told the Bankruptcy courts would not allow me to file Chapter 7. My husband had made too much. He had worked an enormous amount of overtime trying to pay all our debts. We cashed in stocks at a huge loss, closed IRA's and all this was added into our "income" and the end result was, we are paying a very high Chapter 13 payment. The overtime went away because of the company he worked lost contracts, our income went almost 40 % lower and we can't renogiate a Chapter 13. What happens next? I think I understand how people become homeless and all the legal protection of a lawyer? Well the Capitol One card kept drawing against my checking account, never mind bankruptcy, my canceling auto pay, filing stop payment with the company and my bank, AND my attorneys trying to get the over a $1000 they had taken out of my account over a 4 month perion even after court did no good pay another $ 450 to get the $1000 Back perhaps? Bottom line, do not try to open a business, do not take a partner if you are determined on this suicide course, negotiation is futile, you will be absorbed. My depression put me in the hospital (diabetic and MS),my husbands employer was very unfriendly about the court negotiated withdrawal from his pay and JC Penny (now owned by a corporation) canceled a paid out credit card, paid out over a year before AND open and un blemished since 1973. I truly believe the law is in favor of anyone other than plain ole John and Jane Doe. Bitter? Yes. Still proud to be American, born and bred, Father, husband and all three sons, Air Force, Army and one Swabbie. God Bless us all. I sincerely believe President Obama needs to look at his stimulus plans and their direction. Its okay to help other nationalities but should that be at the poor labor, blue collar Americans? and Yes I am a Republican.
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1-18-2010 @ 9:23PM
Lige said...
So Betty, where is YOUR responsibility for your own failings? Seems to be missing.
1-18-2010 @ 9:40PM
julychrls said...
LIGE...Spoken like a true debt collector! Just shame that girl! Right? You are a jerk of the first order.
1-18-2010 @ 10:00PM
Angela said...
I know I am about to be the most hated person in this conversation, but I have to speak up.
I am a bill collector, I like my job because I get to help several people who thought they could see no way out. There are a few facts that people have put on here that are misconstrued.
The company I work for does not buy debt. We are hired by the creditor when people don't make the payments on time. Not every company buys the paper at pennies on the dollar and than tries to charge full price on the debt.
Not all companies threaten and harass. In fact it is only a small percent of agencies that work that way. It is sad that the small percentage is all you really hear about.
I guess it just really upsets me that both sides are never covered and that you never hear about the agencies that follow the law and do things by the book.
1-18-2010 @ 10:17PM
Daryl G. said...
I agree with, and understand, everything you said other than, "do not try to open a business."
I haven't tried, and I probably won't, but that statement is one of the most ignorant and pathetic that I've ever read. Such a mindset is probably why you are in the situation. I'm sorry that your pathetic business didn't pan out, but perhaps that's because it was worthless. Apparently this is the case.
1-18-2010 @ 12:42PM
Tobie said...
Consumer credit doesn't help people with collection accounts. I found this first hand when I called a local consumer credit counseling company. They referred me to Ontrack Financial Group and I enrolled into their program. I'm very happy with the service I received from Ontrack Financial Group.
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1-18-2010 @ 8:11PM
Jess said...
I don't want to file bankrupcy....I'm on the virge of suicide now. I won't let this happen.....I'll kill myself before shame from family.
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1-18-2010 @ 8:59PM
Tanya said...
Don't talk like that, Jess. It's only money - it comes and goes. I went through bankruptcy and it lasted 7 years and it was not that terrible. You just have to get used to paying cash for everything which is what we should all do in the first place :)
As soon as the bankruptcy cleared I was overwhelmed with offers of credit and even refinanced my home. Doing good now - look to the future. Where do you see yourself in 10 years? Aim for that place :)
1-18-2010 @ 11:07PM
Keith said...
Seriously, Jess, it really doesn't have to be the end of the world. What Tanya said is true. You just need to tough out the years of bad credit; go back to paying for everything with cash (TRUST ME on that, it's not nearly as difficult as you'd think); and try to find the simple pleasures in life. I went through it. At some point, I realized it wasn't an ordeal like I thought at first, it was actually the best thing that could have happened to me. Good luck.
1-19-2010 @ 2:08AM
Mitch said...
Jess, suicide is more shameful in that the percentage of your family members committing suicide also rises to over 300%. Today, filing bankruptcy is an everyday part of life considering the shape the economy is now. And remember: Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
1-19-2010 @ 5:56AM
Payback said...
A debt collector was harrassing my elderky mother for a debt of my father who passed some years back. I called to inform them that he had passed and they began calling me trying to make me pay. I googled the company and fouund their website. The company is based in Florida and listed all their officers. I was able to locate the home addresses and phone numbers and plastered them all over the internet, including men seeking men on craigslist.
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1-20-2010 @ 3:32PM
Lisa said...
Certainly a well deserved payback. Yes, there are decent collection agencies and people (I collected for a short period of time and was completely sympathetic because I'd been there) however, there are far too many that don't care about breaking the law, lying, threatening, harrasing and when they do a solution like this one from 'Payback" is soooo perfect!
1-18-2010 @ 8:15PM
J said...
I just put my answering machine on two rings and look at my caller ID. when I'm awake. I run a fan at night and can't hear the phone in the morning. None of the collectors have ever left a message. I also never sign for registered mail. These people will get their money when I do. Two can play their dirty games.
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1-18-2010 @ 8:26PM
gs said...
your bailout is available through chapter 7 of the us bankruptcy code
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1-18-2010 @ 8:30PM
Fred said...
You have to play the game with these types of people and companies....A few years back I had these people calling me, threatning me and just talking trash....I used to just laugh into the phone and tell them to take me to court, sue me or whatever they wanted to do.....I even went and told them since they had my phone number then they must know where I lived that if they came and was able to take the money they would be welcome to it...I was even able to talk one women into giving me her work number, I then started calling and harrassing them....It wasnt a large amount of money I owed but within 2 weeks they quit calling....
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1-18-2010 @ 8:18PM
rico said...
Years ago, I had a medical bill that I thought my insurance company took care of but found it that it was not. Rather quickly it was handed over to a collection agency. I made payments on it and fulfilled the obligations. A year later, while refinancing my home, I was surprised to find out that there was an outstanding unpaid debt on my credit report. When I investigated the debt, I found out that the first collection agency had sold the debt to someone else and now required payment. I had to pay the debt again in order to complete my refinance. Two years later, I received a letter from now a third collection agency trying to collect the debt that was not paid twice. I was now at the end of my patience. I personally walked into this agency with patience but with a air trigger fuse not really knowing what I was going to do if they played games. Fortunantly I had proof of payment and I was released from the debt. I went to the original medical office who had initiated the debt and due to length of loan they had no record of it. These collection agencies are equavilant to organize crime that businesses hire to collect debts. I am glad that this more out in the open.
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1-18-2010 @ 8:20PM
Cam said...
Debtor's Anonymous is a great resource. It is similar to AA, but there are big differences. DA has PRG's, (pressure relief groups) to get support for your finances/your debt. Like AA, it is free, donations only. Even if you are not a compulsive spender but just have tons of debt, you can still go to DA.
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1-18-2010 @ 8:23PM
aevf101 said...
Debt collectors can't have you arrested, and they can't eat you. They actually have no legal power over you at all. Yes, they can ruin your credit rating and yes, they can harrass you if you let them. By the time your over due bills get to a collection agency your credit record is in bad shape anyway, so they really can't do any more damage than has been done.
Collections agency buy bundles of bad debt for pennies on the dollar. They then try to convince you they are trying to collect for the company you owe money to. Should you pay your debt, sure you should but if you can't, you can't. You don't have to take their calls nor do you have to agree to do anything they ask. Just don't make any promises you can't keep.
Best way to deal with debt collectors is try to work a deal and pay them pennies on the dollar of what you owe. If you can't do that, tell them to go pound sand. If more people did that, the debt collection industry would fold up over night.
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1-18-2010 @ 8:24PM
A said...
Our government is just not working it is very very broken! The people who try to do the right thing get F***ed in the b*tt! I paid my bills and even got 30 k in credit cards paid off in one year! But the bank won't budge on my predatory loan. The banks are at fault but the government plays the buy game bail out the rich guy and piss on the poor guy. If the bank had to base their interest rate on the minimum wage then we could all survive. Why not base things on the minimum wage? After all gas went up thanks to george and the war, don't forget it stimulates the economy right? Food has gone up cereal is $4.00 a box for like 10 ounces. Gas & electric and water goes up every year and we keep getting TAXED for all these items to keep the cost down. Right now in California the GOVERNATOR wants to eliminate a 7 cent tax for one year that pays for bonds for the infrastructures. When it goes back to the gas tank it goes into the general fund instead of the infrastructures. Don't forget our poor schools that suck to high heaven! Pay and pay that is all we Americans do! Now the poor Haiti people, bummer we will spend millions to help our not that it is not good but when my kid can't read in 7th grade what is the difference?
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1-18-2010 @ 8:26PM
lynnie said...
Does anyone know this one? "Portfolio Recovery" calls every day, sometimes leaving messages to call a number where a debt collector will talk to you. I have no outstanding debt, nothing on my credit report. I don't respond. This has to be a scam.
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