Five words to never to say to your lender
Filed under: Banks, Credit, Debt, Fraud, Recession, Credit Cards
Getting a loan can be a difficult task in this economic environment. Many lenders won't even consider an application for a mortgage unless your credit score is above 740. Others will consider an application, but zap you with an outrageous interest rate.Even if you have excellent credit, there are still some phrases you should never say when trying to get a loan. For example:
1. DESPERATE
One of the worst things you can say to a loan officer is that you desperately need the money, then ask how can you speed up the loan process. That's putting a big red flag in front of the loan officer. He'll wonder what the emergency is and is more likely to decline your application.
An application process takes time, and there's not likely anything you can do to speed it up. By trying to underscore how urgently you need the money and pressure the loan officer for a quick decision, you're likely just to raise doubt about whether you can afford the loan. The best way to approach the lender is calmly, explaining why you want the loan and then asking what the bank's procedure is for approval.
2. UNEMPLOYED
If you tell a lender you expect to be laid off, you'll almost guarantee a denial because that statement indicates your current income may not be long term. Yet if you haven't received a layoff notice yet, it wouldn't be lying if you don't mention your fears to the bank. So if you think you might be laid off in the near future but haven't been notified yet, you can truthfully fill out a loan application with your current income information. Banks only look at your current employment history, not your future.
In fact, one way to save a home if you fear a future layoff is to apply for an equity line as a way to make mortgage payments. I definitely don't recommend this as a first option, but with long-term unemployment the norm these days, sometimes that's the only option for saving a home and avoiding foreclosure.
Apply for the equity, but don't use it. Instead, keep it available in case you need it while you're not working. You won't lose that equity line if you lose the job, and it may be exactly what you need to stay in your home. But, remember, once you use up that equity, your house will be at risk of foreclosure if you don't pay the mortgage or the equity line. So tread carefully when putting any kind of mortgage on your home.
3. ENTREPRENEUR
Telling a lender you're planning to start your own business is another almost sure-fire way to guarantee a loan denial, because you've got no way to prove what your future income will be. If you're still in the "thinking of starting your own business" phase, you don't need to tell that to the banker as long as you haven't given notice on your job.
As with an impending layoff, you might consider applying for an equity line of credit on your house in order to keep up with mortgage payments while you're waiting for your business to take off. And remember, don't use the equity until you really need it. And don't use it for your business, either, because once it's gone, you might not have enough money to pay back the bank and then you risk losing your house.
4. BACK TAXES
Banks don't lend money when you tell them you want to use it to pay off tax debts. Banks know they have no rights over the government when it comes to tax collection, and if you give the bank any idea that you owe the IRS, you'll likely be denied for that loan you're seeking. If the IRS has already put a lien on your home, you won't be able to avoid a discussion with your lender about it because that's a public document the bank can access. But if there's nothing on the public record, then it's better just to say you need additional credit for renovation, your child's education or just about anything other than you owe the IRS.
5. GAMBLER
If you're a compulsive or habitual gambler, you've got a more serious problem than just being short of money. But if that's what you're looking for from the bank, telling the lender you have a gambling problem means there's little chance you'll get the money you need. While there's almost no way for the bank to find out about your gambling debts--such debts aren't recorded by credit bureaus--you should fill out the application for a personal loan truthfully but just say you need the money to pay off personal debts.
But before you get the money to pay off those debts, be sure you have the problem under control or you'll just be digging a deeper hole for yourself in the future. Gamblers Anonymous is a good place to start if you need help.
One last word of advice: Whatever you do, never lie on a loan application. Lying is fraud, pure and simple.
And fraud on a mortgage application is an extremely serious act. Under the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act, which was signed into law in May 2008, penalties for conviction of mortgage fraud can be a maximum of 30 years in prison and a fine of up to $1 million. The statute of limitations was also increased to 10 years from five years.
So let's say you're applying for a mortgage on a property you intend as an investment. The last thing you want to do is lie on your loan application and say that the property will be your primary residence. If you end up not being able to pay your bills, the lender could actually ask for a criminal investigation. If they find out you lied on your loan application, they'll most likely pursue criminal action.
Because the FBI has found a strong correlation between mortgage fraud and loans that result in default and foreclosure, they've set up mortgage fraud task forces in some of the hardest hit areas. The top 10 mortgage fraud areas are California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Texas and Utah. Other areas significantly affected by mortgage fraud include Arizona, Colorado, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia. More and more people are being caught each year, so don't even think about lying on a mortgage application. This whopper can really come back to haunt you.
Lita Epstein has written more than 25 books including "Surviving a Layoff: A Week-By-Week Guide to Getting Your Life Back Together" and "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Improving Your Credit Score."
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
11-25-2009 @ 7:03AM
arctic said...
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11-25-2009 @ 7:12AM
Tim said...
ONE FU@@ING WORD YOU DONT SAY TO ME "BANK"
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11-25-2009 @ 7:28AM
Duane said...
So thats why all these corperation went to goverment for ballout money theyre lies to the goverment is ok if they went to another bank and said the same thing they all would have been charged with fraud and jailed instead
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11-25-2009 @ 7:40AM
joe said...
An article that advises people to lie to their loan officer just so they can get money they clearly can't manage to begin with. Wow. And we wonder why this country is screwed up... pathetic, and embarrassing.
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"Banks don't lend money when you tell them you want to use it to pay off tax debts."
"But if there's nothing on the public record, it is better just to say..."
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11-25-2009 @ 8:06AM
Jerry said...
Wow. This is the first time a money article actually allows comments. One thing Ms. Epstein doesn't say is that without making loans, banks will die. And with all of the bull**** being put out about credit scores, if your potential lender opens with "well, your credit score..." just interrupt him with a thank you and walk out. And don't believe the crap on TV, either. Do you really believe a company that advertises using pirates and Robin Hood's merry men?
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11-27-2009 @ 5:33PM
ED said...
Thanks for the chuckle...You are so correct....Creditreport (dot) dumb...LOL
Well, the only thing that your credit score matters about is for car and house ins... No credit left...LOL
11-25-2009 @ 8:35AM
bluqe said...
I try my best never to talk to a banker. I would rather do business with the mafia but our government has decided the bankers should be the officaly approved gangsters. Lets face it, when was the last time you actually met a friendly banker?
I'll tell you when, NEVER.
These people along with your congress were the cause of our financial disaster and then managed to get themselves on the list for a bailout or stimulous monies.
They brought you that great piece of plastic, the credit card. Issued one to each and every person who applied and in many , many cases you did not have to apply they sent you one anyway. Then along with government approval they charged you interest rates that were so high even the mafia was surprised.Still the government of the people went along with these outrageous fees, Business as usual.
Your best bet, throw those damned cards in the garbage, refuse to use these things that allow these robbers to steal from you and then you will not have to say anything to them.
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11-25-2009 @ 8:41AM
Hope said...
What a bunch of BS !!!!!!!!!!! Don't lie on the mortgage application. HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason we are in the economic mess is because of these so called phony banks, phony sub prime lenders and their greedy agents who flat out lied and told people to fill in bogus # on their applications for re-finance. Then the same greedy companies bundled up these worthless mortgages, packaged them as AAAAAAA rating to sell to unsuspecting customers all over the world, paid hefty commissions to these greedy agents and themselves laughing all the way to the offshore banks and created this crap shit ass mess we are in right now. Then the same greedy banks flew in their private jets with their hands out to Congress and the American taxpayers for bail out money which we were stupid enough to believe and give them. Now these same greedy banks don't want to lend us the money !!!!!!!! What a country !!!!!!! American taxpayers getting screwed over and over and over and over again by these greedy bank with their lies, lies, lies and we the consumers should not lie in our mortgage application. LOL
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11-25-2009 @ 9:08AM
tina said...
I work at a Savings and Loan, I don't care what you tell your loan officer, it never gets back to me. We approve based on income, credit score and loan to value. We have an underwriting department that looks at loans based on those 3 items. The person taking your application does not underwrite your loan so they cannot "decline" you in anyway. We are a very solid institution and have never engaged in subprime lending and that could be why we never A) have taken any government funds; B) laid anyone off; and C) are the #1 savings and loan in the country. Our loan officers do not earn commision so it doesn't matter to them if you are approved or not. We are not all rotten bankers.
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11-29-2009 @ 3:18PM
maryweinstein said...
I've gotten a couple mortgages and one equity line of credit over the years, never lied to the lender, and as I expected had to give them full disclosure of our household income, assets, debts, and proof of income. The last loan in 2004 was an equity line on a paid-off house, and they'd only give us the amount that homeowner's and flood insurance would cover- about 1/2 of the equity of the house at the time. That was fine with us as we saw no reason to get in such debt that we could never pay it off. The lenders read us each page of the loan terms before we signed it, and gave us copies so we knew exactly what the terms were. This as the lender (and many others) were apparently signing other customers up for loans they couldn't afford, encouraging customers to lie about their incomes, job titles and inflating the worth of the sale property. I'm grateful no one ever tried to get us into a loan we couldn't afford, but being the skeptics we are, we'd have never signed up for loans we couldn't afford.
11-25-2009 @ 9:15AM
Kelly said...
I can't believe this is even an article. I can't believe there are people out there that are stupid enough to say any of this stuff to the bank! "Uh, yeah, can I borrow some mony? I am about to be laid off, so I decided to open my own business. I am really desperate because I have a lot of back taxes to pay off due to my compulsive gambling problem!"
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11-25-2009 @ 12:38PM
Derrel said...
since you only misspelled one word. I'll assume it was a typo...
Kelly there are millions of stupid people out there.
"mony" did you mean money?
11-25-2009 @ 9:19AM
Kelly said...
You obviously have no money to work with. You really should think before you open your mouth and make yourself look stupid.
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11-25-2009 @ 9:44AM
Henry said...
The USA is in current financial trouble partially or mostly due to fraud/lying by the lenders and lendees. Lying is considered the absence of truth. Not admitting the whole truth whether on paper or on a phone, in person, etc.; by a bank or a lendee is the same as lying.
Lisa appears to be asking the lendees to lie even if they know different. I consider that accessory to fraud.
SO if I used her advice and got arrested for fraud, I would add her as an accessory to the crime.
And yes I consider the Gov't bailout as the biggest scam ever pulled on the USA citizens by the banks. We are a capitalist country and if the banks fail because they were unwise, then let them fail. The Gov could of then helped the owners of non-investment mortgages.
The gov is supposed to answer to the people not big business.
My 2 cents, worth about a 100th of a cent now.
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11-25-2009 @ 9:49AM
CougartownIsAWebsiteNotAVerb said...
So what did the bailed out companies say to get their loans?
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11-25-2009 @ 9:56AM
CougartownIsAWebsiteNotAVerb said...
Why do liars prosper?
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11-25-2009 @ 10:05AM
david said...
Mr. Drysdale....I am a desperate gambler, the IRS is after me, I have lost my job, but I want to borrow $500,000 to start a Lamborghini dealership in the Sudan.....
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11-25-2009 @ 10:06AM
Jamie said...
That was my thought as well. I would be ashamed to have my name associated with such dribble. If I had any words of wisdom for Lita Epstein, it would be to refuse to cover such dim-witted articles or perhaps write anonymously.
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11-29-2009 @ 11:10AM
Aaron said...
AMEN!! You've said it all...hardy handshake!!
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