AmEx yanks merchant privileges from author who denies Holocaust
Filed under: Credit cards
David Irving is not a man with whom many of us would want to be associated. The British-born historian has made a career peddling books and speeches claiming that the Holocaust and Adolph Hilter's realm of genocide are fabrications. He's run afoul of strict laws in Austria forbidding statements of Holocaust denial and even has done jail time there for his beliefs. Now, it seems American Express doesn't want to be associated with him, either. When Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind learned that Irving accepted American Express from people who wanted to buy his books or buy tickets to his book tour events, he got a dozen lawmakers to sign a letter urging AmEx to drop Irving and alerted the media.
The result? David Irving is no longer a merchant, according to American Express. "It's effective immediately, as of yesterday," which is when the card issuer was made aware of the nature of Irving's business, says AmEx spokesperson Christine Elliott. "The materials that he sells on his website are not consistent with the brand policies that we have in our merchant agreement so we made the decision to terminate his ability to accept the American Express card," Elliott tells WalletPop.
Irving still accepts Visa and Mastercard; Assemblyman Hikind says his office would like to see those issuers drop Irving as well. He acknowledges this will be a longer battle since many different banks use Visa and Mastercard. If dropped by one, Irving could simply take his biased business to another one. "We are figuring out how to do that," Hikind tells WalletPop. "It's a more difficult nut to crack but we intend to crack it. We don't need to have major corporations working with the guy."
Hikind is pleased with AmEx's response, though. "I'm very happy. I think [the termination] was incredibly fast," he says of the company's response.



Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
10-22-2009 @ 1:14AM
Flint said...
A dozen lawmakers eh? What did the letter say? "AmEx, you better cut him loose or we're going to paint you with the same brush. We're going public tomorrow so you have until then". Sounds like extortion to me. A dozen lawBREAKERS.
Forget about the right to free speech. They can't legally stop him so they stoop to the dirtiest tricks from the past. They can't actually ban the books, so they are working to find extra-legal ways to make it hard for him to sell them.
Having made AmEx dance to their strings they're working on their next crime.
Be afraid.
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10-22-2009 @ 6:28AM
Ches said...
Agreed. We may or may not agree with what he's written, but he has every right to write it and those who try to stop it represent a bad omen of things to come, I think.
10-22-2009 @ 8:47AM
barbara said...
You are all kidding right? This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. He can write and speak all he wants about his ridiculous ideas and many idiots will believe him too. This is a litmus test of how far we will go to "protect" people who are H. deniers. He broke the law of HIS land and we don't "protect" lawbreakers, we send them HOME. Denial of the H. should be illegal everywhere. How can you defend the mental illness of racism, anti-semitism, denial of pictures of one of the worst atrocities that humans are capable of? Be afraid? I'm afraid. I'm afraid of YOU!
10-22-2009 @ 9:08AM
bellered said...
Barbara, of *course* this is about freedom of speech.
We don't arrest people for saying the Earth is flat, or that women shouldn't have the right to vote, or that the moon landings were faked.
Nor does freedom of speech mean that any efforts by anyone to curtail such speech is a violation -- which is a mistaken belief that causes a lot of idiots to think that when folks boycott a TV show (like Glen Beck's boycott) that's a free speech violation. It isn't.
What's different here is that going after an author in this particular way (if it were successful) would truly stop that author from having any access to the fellow nutjobs who wanted to hear what he had to say. In our plasticized economy, being unable to accept all credit cards would be tantamount to an outright banning.
Freedom of speech isn't a freedom intended for we sane folks. It's there to protect the nutters. Because, after all, if we can tolerate to let them say what they say, surely we can tolerate the more reasonable things the rest of us think.
10-22-2009 @ 9:33AM
Mike said...
Denial of the Holocaust is deplorable, and these actions have also led to him being jailed in Austria, but last time I checked this isn't Austria. I do find his publications, and his entire concept deplorable, but I also served my country to preserve the rights of this great country of ours. It sounds to me like a dozen NY lawmakers need to be censured, or possibly removed from office for their actions, and if AMEX does maintain their stance, I'll be glad to close out my merchant account, and cancel my card. Freedom is fighting for the rights of someone whose beliefs you would would spend your life disagreeing with. Wake up people, this country was founded on something bigger than our petty personal beliefs.
"When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Thomas Jefferson
10-22-2009 @ 9:56AM
Babygirl said...
This is not about freedom of speech. He can write and say whatever he wants, AmEx just doesn't want their company to be associated with this nut. If the people that are buying into his deranged mindset, then they will continue to do so and pay cash. If, and I do mean If, Visa and MasterCard follow suit as AmEx, this man will not go broke and the economy will not suffer because his thoughts are not being purchased by the three major card companies.
10-22-2009 @ 10:50AM
Eddie said...
However crazy his ideas may be, we can't have people being blacklisted for them. What happens when your ideas are deemed "radical" or "extreme" like your views on abortion or global warming or gay marriage... either side?
Will you be able to buy a hot dog in this town again?
Chino, of JuniorYChino.com a political blog
10-25-2009 @ 8:21AM
WRosencratz said...
I think this is a GREAT idea and perhaps something American Express can look into further:
Neo-Nazi arm band - $19
A Skinhead rock CD - $16
A copy of Mien Kampf - $11
Getting your credit line closed and rate jacked to 79% because of your bigoted views and buying habits - priceless
I am 100% for free speech but, ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about denying the Holocaust here. In Europe, you go to jail for that kind of thing. The least was can do is cut off the American Express privileges.
10-22-2009 @ 6:14AM
Eliza said...
Flint is right...be afraid!
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10-22-2009 @ 6:19AM
Palerider said...
Whatever happened to the freedom of speech? I don't agree with this idiot, but in this country he is supposed to have the right to say what he wants. Oh, forgot, the liberals are in charge, if you don't agree with them, then they will shut you up, put you out of business etc. Whatever it takes to shut someone up. Freedom of Speech only exists if you pull the "mainstream" line (whatever it happens to be on any day). So much for our rights!
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10-22-2009 @ 1:06PM
CeeCee said...
This man is not being denied his constitutional rights by the US government.
He is in violation of his contract with a business (AmEx) and the contract was revoked.
Credit card businesses have a right to set their own standards for the merchants they accept and the merchant agrees to abide by the rules set down, when they sign the contract.
The right to set terms in a contract, and the right to accept the terms or not sign the contract, is also guaranteed by the constitution.
Blaming any of this on the government or 'liberals' is just hysterical over reaction....or trolling.
10-22-2009 @ 1:38PM
HeyThere said...
"Freedom of speech" in this country has to do with prohibiting the GOVERNMENT'S ability to curtail your speech. It sounds like AmEx was unaware of the nature of this guy's business (they are a huge company afterall with many, many merchant accounts). They are well within their rights to drop this guy if they feel he will damage their "brand."
If it were your business would you want to be associated with this guy?
Yes, Irving has every right to peddle his hate garbage but AmEx, as a non-government entity has every right to say, "We do not want to be asssociated with you. Goodbye."
10-22-2009 @ 7:18AM
kathy said...
This wasn't in America. Read the article. Last I checked Austria was not one of our colonies. This man is breaking the law in his own country. period.
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10-22-2009 @ 8:03AM
07 Shelby said...
Yes Kathy, this may have been in Austria but I thought Amex is an american company! Banks have no business regulating who continues to have credit based on religious or political beliefs. Last time I checked my Amex bill it said nothing about it could be used only in Austria. The point is, this guy could be selling his books to anyone anywhere and AMex should have stayed out of it. So if I don't agree with Obama or any other politician, they should be able to call all the banks I do business with and cancel my lines of credit and financially ruin me? That is what you are agreeing with! The last one to pull political tactics like this was Adolf Hitler and certainly, no one would agree with his methods of dealing with political decent! This is very scary indeed, that the banks have so much control over people's personal affairs!
10-22-2009 @ 2:38PM
Scott said...
True, but the lawmaker that started the whole campaign to get Amex to drop him is from Brooklyn, NY.
10-22-2009 @ 9:12AM
bellered said...
Kathy, as much as it pains you to accept, Brooklyn is part of America.
I know, I know. Sometimes we'd rather they weren't.
(It doesn't matter where he's from or what *his* laws are -- American politicians have no business attacking speech in this manner.)
10-22-2009 @ 9:17AM
bellered said...
And, I hate to do this, as I feel like I'm unfairly picking on you, Kathy, but actually *you* need to re-read the article. He's British. Not Austrian.
Clearly he made the mistake of visiting Austria and espousing these beliefs. I'm a bit surprised someone with such a retarded worldview as he has managed to travel so far -- shouldn't he have been worried that the odd mechanical contraption would fall from the sky if it attempted to fly? Or that he, himself, might fall over the edge of the earth if he journeyed too far?
Again, American politicians have no business attempting to block an author from market. Would you also side with an American lawmaker if they attempted to ban Salmon Rushdie from selling his books for violating Islamic law?
10-22-2009 @ 7:53AM
Jenn said...
AmEx has NO RIGHT to pull a stunt like that and then have the nerve to go public with it!!
There is freedom of speech , last I checked, in our country and if they are going to start this then I can think of thousands of books that would fall under the AmEx "unethical" category but that is not right. He is entitled to sell his book and say whatever he wants.
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10-22-2009 @ 8:02AM
elizabeth said...
Other than an assemblyman the rankings of these other officials are not shared, but to assume they threatened Amex or that if they did Amex would go along with that is jumping to conclusions and looking for conspiracies.
I wonder if those screaming freedom of speech over this and warning us to, "be afraid" said the same thing when the Dixie Chicks voiced their opinion of Bush and a firestorm of hate ensued, including being banned from radio stations, record burnings were held and their career was all but ruined by those who wanted to silence them?
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10-22-2009 @ 8:31AM
karen said...
Elizabeth, there is a huge difference in people choosing not to support the Dixie Chicks because of their stupid comments and this case with AmEx.
This would be similar in AmEx refused to let Dixie Chicks accept AmEx credit cards to buy her album because of what they said.
Do you want banks deciding when to lend you money (and that is what a credit card is - an extension of credit) based on your political beliefs?