Talking your student out of college may be a worthwhile discussion
Filed under: College
Right now, while high school seniors are being encouraged to work on college applications, 40% of parents should be asking themselves whether their son or daughter is a good risk for college next fall.
That's right, 40% of parents should be asking whether college is the best next step. Then, the hard part -- they should be talking with their sons and daughters about it before investing --or worse, borrowing -- college tuition money.
Here's why. According to the U.S. Department of Education, among college freshmen who graduated in the bottom 40% of their high school class, 76 of 100 won't earn a college diploma, even if given 8-1/2 years.
Have you and your senior talked about options yet? Have you compared his thoughts to your own?
In the 37 years that I've been a psychotherapist, I've seen many families maneuver through this process. Often, it begins with an assumption that the student will go away to a four-year college. But if your child hasn't done the things that go into being successful academically in high school -- getting to classes, completing homework on time, studying for tests -- there's no reason to believe that he will do these things in college. That doesn't mean he isn't planning to go.
It's a tough spot for parents. "I can't tell my son that I don't think he'll be successful in college!" one mother exclaimed. She was right. You can't -- or shouldn't -- say it quite that way.
It's also true that you shouldn't be making what you suspect is a bad investment -- or stand by and watch your son take on student debt -- for a plan that you don't think is going to work.
Do you believe that a college degree is the only path to success? Will you be heartbroken if your daughter doesn't go away to college next fall? If so, you need to examine these beliefs. Otherwise, you may wind up gambling on wishes and hopes and inadvertently setting your daughter up for failure when you might have been able to protect her from it.
Here's what I know. You can say almost anything to almost anyone if you say it right.
There's a big difference between saying, "You goofed off in high school and I think you'll flunk out of college," and saying, "Let's take this in small steps so that when you go away to college we're all confident that you're going to be able to graduate."
If your daughter is hell-bent on going off to college, there will be some initial angst, often of the "you don't trust me" variety.
If this is your situation, here are some things that should help make this must-have conversation go well.
1. Your daughter needs to know -- really know -- that you're on her team. This isn't about blame. It's about taking all available information and making a sound financial decision.
2. You want to hear -- really hear -- her ideas. How much flexibility does she seem to have? How much information has she obtained?
3. Students who are 17 and 18 are just beginning their entry into the adult world. They often need help seeing that there are options to what may be their intensely held plans. They can only listen if they aren't defending themselves. Few students this age have any real comprehension of what the consequences of $20,000 (or much more) of debt for an unfinished college degree will mean in their lives.
4. You get to control what you contribute to different post high school options. This means you can "sweeten the pot" to make the option that makes sense to you more attractive.
For example, you may choose to make a substantial contribution to the purchase of a car for your daughter if she elects to spend her first college year at the local community college, living at home and working part time. Your contribution -- payment for tuition, books and whatever amount for the car -- might be more than what you are willing to contribute if she elects to attend a four-year college.
You might also offer to pay the entire cost of a non-college program -- for example, beauty school or paramedic training -- that will allow your daughter to earn decent money and then if she chooses attend college later.
5. The bottom line is that you get to decide how you invest in your daughter's education. Once you know that, you can remain supportive and on her side while she grapples with the options. You should invest only when you feel confident that you are making a good investment.
Enabling your student to go away and fail is unlikely to benefit him in any way. Paying for his failure -- or worse, co-signing a loan that he won't be able to pay -- is almost guaranteed to endanger your relationship with him.
At 17 or 18, he may not be able to understand and despite your best efforts may be disappointed and angry with you. In the long run, you should do about college what hopefully you've done through his childhood -- make the best judgment call for his well-being that you can make.



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10-06-2009 @ 11:30AM
Greg Solomon said...
College isn't always purely about academics. It's also partly, and sometimes solely, about getting socialized into the upper-middle and/or upper classes. To be sure, there are a few institutions with such tough academic standards that students with poor study skills or lacking a thorough knowledge of the foundational subjects that they should have mastered in high school will almost certainly wash out within a single semester. The Catholic college that I attended was like that. One student I knew from my old high school actually disappeared after I spotted him on campus exactly twice, and I never saw him again in the 25 years since the second sighting. I'm not sure if he was kicked out due to conduct issues, of which he had many in high school, or committed suicide, or what, but this was a school with high academic standards, which U.S. colleges and universities are, on the whole, NOT known for. The fact is that there is an entire league of institutions where NO ONE ever fails because they are set up to cater to students with lackluster academic inclinations who nevertheless need to meet the right people. Some of these universities, most notably Harvard, have a "pass everybody" policy for only a student's first year or two, to ease the kids into the study and work habits that they will need to cultivate in order to be successful throughout the remaining years of the program. Others pass everybody for howsoever long they remain in school. In a few places, one can actually "earn" a master's or doctorate without putting forth much, if any, effort. Parents should soberly explore which of these options are realistic for underachieving students before condemning them to a lower-middle class trade-tech career path. For example, Ms. Wechsler actually offers up paramedic training as a viable alternative to college "that will allow you daughter to earn decent money and then if she chooses attend college later", but this is clearly a joke, as walletpop recently listed EMS as a low-income job paying less than $30,000.00 per annum. As for going into debt to send your children to college, this is something that is beyond my comprehension. My parents were low-income people but made saving for educational expenses enough of a priority that I never set foot into a public school until my final two years of high school, when I opted to attend a college-prep magnet school. As for paying for college, the tuition was already way over $6000.00 per semester 25 years ago, and I never had to do anything beyond signing the checks. I plan to do the same favor for my children whether Beth Wechsler thinks they are smart enough to attend college or not, and since we now have a family tradition of making such things a top priority, I have no doubt that they will easily exceed whatever snooty standards an elitist turd like Beth could ever meet!
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10-05-2009 @ 2:21PM
Greg Solomon said...
Beth, I apologize for calling you an elitist turd. I was out of line to get so emotional and hostile when you clearly mean well. But the fact remains that most students without stellar high school achievements can still benefit from the college experience, and they needn't necessarily look to one of the "Ivies" to do so. But the Ivies are always there for those who might not fare well even at a school with run-of-the-mill to low academic standards. It is a nasty stereotype, to be sure, but there are grains of truth in all unfair generalizations, and there's a notion out there that perhaps MOST students of business and a couple of other majors are academic lightweights. It wasn't true where I went to school, and I have no doubt that there's no shortage of business majors who are among the best and brightest people you could ever meet, but for those who are challenged in this area, there's still a crying need to know how to get along with people who run things and, indeed, how to become a person who runs things. This isn't rocket science. It's leadership. As someone who did very well in school, even I am wiling to admit that it's not always about book smarts, but about the drive to better oneself and one's whole society. Sometimes a school that is forgiving toward those who aren't constanty earning As and B+s is just the place to acquire that drive. And it isn't just in the business arena that this is true. Al Einstein was denounced by his own teachers as ineducably stupid. Had the professors and scientists who eventually became his colleagues been unwilling to make what was widely viewed as a risky investment of their time and efforts in him, our understanding of physics would have been permanenty impaired, (and the civilian death toll of World War II would surely have been many millions higher had America's mastery of the atom not spooked the Japanese military out of its planned final resistance). Advice like we see in this article can only cut off our latter-day Einsteins cold. I'm not saying that it's misguided for young people to choose the trades over college. I am saying that the decision should be primarily the kid's, and the opinion of someone whose focus is mainly the expense should be considered but not allowed to be the final word on this matter.
10-06-2009 @ 9:12AM
Bob Roberts said...
Beth, don't listen to Greg Solomon. This is a wonderful posting and you're a hero for helping many Americans think through a difficult decision. Mr. Solomon is right that college can help even those without stellar high school records, but he neglects to factor in the outrageous costs and the debt hangover. Does he really want a mid-range student to spend $100k or more on college just because it might help them a bit? Even the state schools leave kids with an unpleasant amount of debt. The kids could buy a small house in many parts of the country with that money. Then they wouldn't need a good salary to pay the mortgage. Keep going Beth!!!
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