Tax calculator for how your taxes would change under Obama or McCain
Filed under: Tax
Using numbers from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the website AlchemyToday came up with a calculator to see how much Barack Obama would raise your taxes. It's a nifty device that should help clarify for people the big differences in economic policy in this election. Are you making less than $603,000? If so, Obama isn't going to raise your taxes, the data show.
According to a Gallup Poll, 53% of Americans think Obama is going to raise their taxes, compared with just 34% who suspect the same of McCain. That means that at least 48% of Americans don't really understand what Obama is going to do and one-third don't understand what McCain is proposing. Where would so many people get the crazy idea that Obama's secret plan is to raise taxes? Well, it could be because John McCain tells them that every chance he gets.
The Washington Post put together a nifty graphic using the same data. CNNMoney also did a smart analysis of the whole thing. The gist of it is, according to CNNMoney:
McCain: The average taxpayer in every income group would see a lower tax bill, but high-income taxpayers would benefit more than everyone else.
Obama: High-income taxpayers would pay more in taxes, while everyone else's tax bill would be reduced. Those who benefit the most -- in terms of reducing their taxes as a percentage of after-tax income - are in the lowest income groups.
In the simplest terms, McCain is going to cut everybody's taxes, but cut the very richest people's taxes most. Obama is going to cut everybody's taxes except the really rich. As the Tax Policy Center points out, both plans are lousy for the federal debt: Obama's would raise the debt by $2.9 trillion, McCain's by $4.2 trillion.
I wish someone would come up with a better calculator than the alchemy one, one that would let people compare their situation under Obama and McCain. First off, people would see that for the vast majority of Americans -- those making $112,000 and under -- Obama cuts their taxes more than McCain.
Second, a better calculator would account for more than just income. A realistic calculator would ask you where you get your income. Is it from work? Or is it from the stock market? (Which Obama says he wants to raise.) Or is it from an inheritance of more than $3.5 million? And then there's McCain's proposal to tax employer healthcare, but give a tax credit to offset it.
Fiscal policy is really complicated. We could desperately need use a tool to bring it home to people where their own financial interest lies.



Reader Comments (Page 1 of 11)
9-11-2008 @ 6:57PM
y smith said...
Excuse me, but $112,000 and under?! I live in NJ and with both spouses working full time and makking $140,000, that is barely getting by in this state and that is without "luxuries" - 2 kids, a car, a MODEST house - that's it. People need to understand that in the rest of the country where the average income is $40,000 but the taxes and cost of living are so much lower, this kind of money - $112,000+ does not make you weathly. Maybe in Minnesota, but not in the Northeast - this type of stuff kills us.
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10-15-2008 @ 3:47PM
teach said...
Check out the tax rate for 2 people making $140,000 with a dependant child. I don't beleive you'll get your taxes raised - I believe it is one person making over $112,000 with no dependents. Also, capital gains tax will only be raised for those people in the $250,000 dollar bracket, not the rest of us who are actually losing money on the stock market right now :)
10-15-2008 @ 4:10PM
Debbie R said...
I find it insulting and amusing that people in this country say they can't by on $118.000. and less.. You mean to tell me that if you were given an income of say, $75.000.00 for the year, with a husband, 2 kids and a dog, you couln't make it?
Then you have some very poor money mgmt skills.
I was married and we lived on an income far less than that, and we was happy and content. My children played sports, we ate meals, three meals, daily. We didn't have 100.000.00 cars or live in a 12 bedroom house. But we managed.
I'm a single mother now, and live on one income with three children. Could it be better? Oh yes, are we going hungry or cold? No. I think Americans think they should live like all the rich and famous people. Put the credit cards away, stop buying 200.00 jeans for your spoiled kids and make them work.
And yes, I'm an American, born here. But, I've also raised my kids to know exactly what a dollar means, and how far it will take you.
10-15-2008 @ 4:22PM
DD said...
You are "barely" getting by on a $140,000 yearly income?! My husband and I live in CA (more expensive than NJ) and we only gross about $72,000 annually, which we actually think is pretty decent compared to friends and families incomes. How's THAT for barely getting by? We have TWO kids to your ONE!!! I would LOVE to be making your income of $140,000, which would have us practically living in the lap of luxury. You are way above the average household income. Some people don't realize that they are MUCH better off than others in this world and yet are still complaining...
10-15-2008 @ 5:19PM
Bill said...
Your point is right on. This is what I keep telling Obama supporters, and if your lucky enough to make 2.9 million you will see your taxes go from $957,000 to $1,658,885 under Obama. This makes me wonder if it is worth it to try to make more money only to give it to people who don't pay taxes anyway.
10-15-2008 @ 6:55PM
MB said...
I wish an average couple in Wisc. could pull in 112,000.00 a year..I don't even get medical benifites or any thing else and barley squeeze 30,000.00 alone. And I am in a managment position.
10-15-2008 @ 6:09PM
E E E said...
You need to economize and not throw your money away. Why don't you calculate all the perks you spend your money on. You must be one of those that wants to keep up with the Jones.
$140,000 and you think your poor. You must be kidding me.
10-15-2008 @ 6:54PM
Chris said...
For those who don't live in Minnesota should just keep their mouth shut. MN ranks in the top 10 in overall tax burden and has the same cost of living as places like Ft Lauderdale. I have lived in NJ, it is expensive, but salaries are generally higher than places with lower cost of living. Besides, if you don't like it there, try moving to someplace cheap, like So Cal.
10-15-2008 @ 8:42PM
Richard said...
Move!
10-16-2008 @ 11:10AM
Kathy said...
This is true. People in the government earn over 200,000 dollars a year and by obamas standards they will be taxed and 95 percent of people earn under 200000 thats a big percentage and part of the 5 percent our people in the government and the extremely rich. Joe the plumber has to do with the amount HE makes not the companys balance thank you for listening. you have a nice day
10-16-2008 @ 1:00PM
David said...
You don't get it. The 112K and below figure is the point at which you get a BIGGER tax CUT under Obama than McCain. At 140K you still ge a tax cut under Obama, just not as big as McCain's.
10-16-2008 @ 1:16PM
Dave Taylor said...
You need to look into what your taxable income is, not your gross income, with average deductions and exemptions you may have less than $100,000 taxable income. The article is right, it would be nice to see a calculator work through individual details.
10-16-2008 @ 1:21PM
Drew said...
Ha! You're pampered and spoiled as sin. Lady, sir, whatever you are. I live in NJ too, you have it made in comparison. Step into my world where our combined annual income is only $38,000 and my income alone is $16,000. OMG, you'd probably have a Paris Hilton style meltdown if actually learn what real poverty was.
Don't come whining on the internet about your 6 figure income. People like you who have silver spoons in your mouths make me sick.
9-11-2008 @ 7:47PM
James said...
You are dishonest, he is raising capital gains tax across the board. Screw income tax, I could care less. A third of my income is from realizing my stock gains.
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10-15-2008 @ 3:25PM
CEE said...
Wow, you must be practicing the black arts, if 1/3 of your income is from the market.
10-15-2008 @ 4:33PM
Teach said...
You mean 1/3 of your income CAME from your stocks - probably not anymore!
9-11-2008 @ 10:20PM
james said...
most people are surfase talker, they don't understand what is happening. the ecomony is so bad that if we don't start taxing the people that are overly rich, we will never solve the problen.
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10-03-2008 @ 12:16PM
Monk said...
So what you are saying is...go ahead and penalize people for making to much money in a capitolistic society?
10-15-2008 @ 8:33PM
Kenny said...
I think it is time for CHANGE. I dont know about you but the shape of the economy right now scares me. We need to CHANGE things now so when our children get older the economic state of this counttry is better then it is right now. Vote Obama
10-15-2008 @ 11:23PM
Chuck said...
How do you defne overly rich? Is ths a person who does not work or has never worked. I just do not understand who you are trying to take money from.
I readly admit that my wifee and I make a good living and pay our fair share of taxes. I am also proud to say that we started out in rural Applachia, worked our way through school, and created careers based on working 60-70 hours plus a week to achieve a level of success. So I do not believe that you can define overlly rich by the income a person makes nor should we reach into the pocket of people have worked hard to make sure that ther famlies have some extra money, can live in a nice house, and pay their bills can susidize indviduals who make other choices.
The change that needs to occur is not based on raising taxes over a magical ncome level and shiftng the earnings through tax reductons to other people who make less. We need to examine the tax code to make sure everyone pays their far share by closing tax loopholes and capturing all income.
I have to say I am disappointed in both candidates. Neither Mr. Obama or Mr. McCan have shown a vision for this country or the true leadership that the United States needs to address the challenges that we face to ensure that we remain that beacon of light and hope for the world. Instead they both have espoused pollitics of divisiveness with a present under their first presidential christas tree for each of ther political bses and not straight talk or a vsion of change that we need to get America back on track again.