Consumer Complaints: PayPal Buyer Protection not all it's cracked up to be?
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Have you ever purchased something on eBay, paid with PayPal, and felt good because you're got their "buyer protection" guarantee? Unfortunately, buyers aren't as protected as they might think they are. Sure, PayPal agrees to help resolve disputes between you and the seller, but that doesn't mean that you're going to win your dispute, even when all the evidence is in your favor.Witness this story from a WalletPop reader who was scammed by an eBay seller, and then felt victimized a second time by the lack of results from PayPal:
My consumer scam involves PAYPAL which is a ruthless, money grubbing Ebay company. They get to operate like a bank, allow consumers to think they ARE a bank, pretend to offer "Paypal Protection," when it is all a scam to get and keep consumers' money as long as they can.
Let me start out by saying that I am a small time Ebay Powerseller, with 100% positive feedback. I have been selling small vintage and antique auction items fairly regularly since 2005. I have used Paypal to receive and send payments early on so had always been a great customer and independent agent for Ebay and of Paypal.
All that changed in September 2007 when I purchased, on eBay, 100 bottles of "authentic" Chanel perfume for $1880. As soon as the shipment arrived, I had suspicions that they were fake, and ran to the nearest Macy's Chanel counter. My suspicions were confirmed. I then contacted the seller, who advertised on eBay that this was the real thing, who wanted to know absolutely nothing.
I then complained to eBay who immediately sent me to Paypal where I filed a fraudulent merchandise claim. Little did I know that Paypal would sit on this as long as they could, in the meantime telling me that they "take the claim of fraudulence merchandise very seriously." Sure they do!
Anyway, I was required to supply all the documentation I had, which I did, and a report from an independent verifier who examined the perfume and determined it was fake. I sent everything to Paypal posthaste because all I wanted was this large sum of money back and I would have been glad to ship the bad merchandise back to the unscrupulous seller. I contacted Chanel who said that the seller was not even authorized to sell their brand. I was also told that I could contact law enforcement but that they would just confiscate the merchandise and begin an investigation that may lead to criminal charges against the seller but would not compensate me for my loss.
Every time I called Paypal to find out where the case was, I received generic phrases from customer service reps who refused to ever connect me with a supervisor. In the mean time, I was in contact with the seller who told me that Paypal had frozen her account which she said has several thousand dollars in it, and now she could not pay her bills nor return my money. Of course she blamed me for all of this and verbally threatened me.
I just wanted to be done with the whole thing and was sure once Paypal stopped resting on their laurels, they would just refund my money from her account.
Guess what? Exactly two days before they were to close the case, approximately 6 weeks after the start of it, they sent me a generic email stating that they needed further documentation of inauthenticity.
I immediately called them and said I needed more time than two days as I had to ship more perfume to another independent verifier, have them examine it, and write a report. I had previously tried the department stores, such as Macy's, who confirmed the inauthenticity but were not allowed by their management to put it in writing, since it had nothing to do with Macy's and they did not want to be involved. I had also tried to get Chanel to do the same but they were not at all interested and just advised me to buy only from a reputable Chanel dealer from now on.
Anyway, Paypal refused to give me any more time. I tried my best but I could not get another verification in that short a time frame and I think they knew it.
Why they waited until then to let me know this, they only know, especially when they had 6 weeks of doing nothing and keeping my money, and hers, tied up.
I told them I would not be able to get another report within two days. They told me that the case would be closed and DECIDED IN THE SELLER'S FAVOR!
I couldn't believe it. I would be out $1880 and stuck with fake perfume! I was desperate. What I did was contact the seller, who did not know about Paypal wanting more documentation, and told her I would drop the claim and all charges if she would agree to take the perfume back and refund my money. She wanted her account unfrozen and was seemingly happy to agree.
As soon as I dropped the claim, Paypal sent me an email saying that the case was closed because I "resolved the claim with the seller to both our satisfactions." What bs!
Since the seller's account was now unfrozen, I expected a refund and attempted to arrange it and shipment back. The seller then informed me that Paypal informed her that her account would be frozen for 6 months due to suspicious activity. Of course I tried to verify this through Paypal who would tell me nothing.
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This all occurred because I did not pay with a credit card but used my Paypal account. I had transferred money from my bank account to my Paypal account to complete the purchase. I was told that if I had paid with a credit card, they would have gotten after Paypal to decide the case in my favor and credit my account. Since I did not use a credit card, Paypal basically had their way with me and used this to their advantage to keep and float money.
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I've been involved in a dispute with an eBay seller before, and can attest to the fact that the PayPal complaint process is not friendly to the person who has been scammed. Be very careful when using PayPal. They want you to believe they are on the side of the scammed consumer, but stories like this from buyers suggest they aren't quite so customer-friendly.
You may not have all the rights you think you have if you're using a PayPal balance to pay for a purchase. Let's hope that eBay doesn't go "PayPal only" as has been suggested in the media. This would likely give scammers even more opportunities, while eBay continues to collect more and more fees from those who do business with them.
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Tracy L. Coenen, CPA, MBA, CFE performs fraud examinations and financial investigations for her company Sequence Inc. Forensic Accounting, and is the author of Essentials of Corporate Fraud.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
6-05-2008 @ 6:54PM
Will B. said...
With PayPal now introducing their "generate a secure card number" tool, it's going to get worse. For those that don't know, you can use PayPal to generate a disposable credit card number (tied to your PayPal account) to prevent merchants from recharging you, or whatever.
The problem is...you can't use your credit card to pay PayPal...you have to do bank draft. I was excited when I saw the service, but when I realized I wouldn't have the protection from my "real" bank...I quickly decided not to use it.
You hardly ever hear anything good about PayPal. I mean...I use it...often enough. But I wouldn't want to get serious about using it for business.
- Will B.
San Francisco, CA
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6-06-2008 @ 8:09AM
bob weir said...
i had a similar experience some time ago with ebay and with pay pal. i ordered and paid for a dvd with pay pal. the seller did not deliver and would not respond to my emails. many emails went back and forth between me, the bank, and ebay/paypal. when all was done and said, they all washed their hands of the matter and said too much time had elapsed since i first lodged my complaint and so now the case would be processed no further. THE OUTCOME: the seller got my $30, i got nothing, and ebay/paypal ignored a case in which the buyer (me) was legitimately wronged. $30 is no big deal but the outcome is WRONG!
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6-06-2008 @ 11:14PM
Denny said...
I use to think it was a great service but PayPal is experience some real problems lately...
Here is another PayPal Scam alert... full story here -
http://blog.trustedid.com/?p=506
snippet below:
Botnet Herder Guilty in PayPal Scam
According to eWeek, a 26-year-old security consultant has admitted to installing code to assemble botnet armies of up to 250,000 infected computers that were used to steal user PayPal names, passwords and other personal and financial information.
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7-01-2008 @ 11:36AM
Ryan said...
Take it from someone who's account was frozen by PayPal 4 Times this year alone (all for suspicious activity?). Each time my account would hold over $200 in it I would be frozen. The first time I got the generic excuse of "parting of ways" even though I had done NOTHING wrong nor had I EVER had a complaint against the account. I called there corp number and ran through every extension in their system leaving a total of 120 voicemails. Well my account was good within 12 hours (go figure). Then about a month later I got slack and left over $200 in the account again......booom......account limited. Had to leave the normal 120 voicemail messages and the account was returned to normal without any interaction. A month later.....same story....same outcome. PayPal is terrible and once a major news network is pushed to run this story they will destroy themselves from the inside out along with taking ebay with them ;). Push your local news to run this story!
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7-06-2008 @ 4:35PM
John Whitaker said...
While investigating a product (Driver Detective, a PayPal seller) I was told the product was $9.90 and given the option to pay with PayPal. After clicking on PayPal, there was no "review" of the financial details for me to "confirm"... BAM... I got "Thank you for your order..." and saw $39.90 deducted from my account.
Trying to complain to PayPal about this practice sent me around in one circle after another... never allowing me to describe and register my complaint.
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7-24-2008 @ 3:58PM
Michael said...
I just initiated a complaint against a seller who took my money, but didn't send my item. I'll keep the forum posted on how PayPal performs. So far I haven't been happy. They've given the seller WAY too long to respond. This seller has bad feedback comments for this type of violation, so apparently neither PayPal nor Ebay has been successful in getting this seller to act legally. Initiating a complaint should extend the amount of time to give feedback on a seller--I had to leave damning feedback as the time was drawing near to close the window of feedback opportunity. This may make the seller less likely to make good on the sale. If PayPal isn't effective at resolving this, I'm going to spread the word, and put the bug into the ear of some attorney friends who handle class action lawsuits. I've paid PayPal a ton of fees for transactions, and they should be able to get my money back. The crooked seller is "celeb_frontcovers" in Ebay UK, so beware of them. Gillian Bartholomew is the seller's name, if it is correct.
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10-02-2008 @ 11:10PM
TC said...
I am glad I am not the only person who has been screwed over by paypal.
My paypal was linked to my bank account but I decided to add my credit card on and make it the primary purchaser. I purchased some headlights for $144 from ebay. I even got a confirmation from paypal at the very end of transaction with ***last four digits of my citi visa card. Looked at my citi account a few days later and did not see it in my recent transactions. I thought maybe the seller did not take the payment yet. About four days later I notice a $35 overdraft fee on my bank account.
I made several phone calls to paypal. The first rep I talked to was probably the most helpful. I explained the problem and told her I wanted $35 refunded for paypals mistake. She told me my money could be refunded with a document (such as a statement) of the overdraft. I lost the fax number so I tried to call again. The next rep told me that I had my bank as my primary source and I told her I had confirmation I did not. She gave me some generic bs about looking into it. Another rep told me it was the banks job to refund me. THe next rep just hung up on me after explaining the problem. On 6-13-08 I called paypal and immediately asked to speak to a superviser. This woman was a complete condescending you-know-what. She told me that my bank account was the primary account when I made the paypal purchase. No matter how many times I retaliated with "that's not what the confirmation said" she counter attacked. My attempt to get $35 overdraft fee that was clearly paypals fault was retaliated with "We WILL NOT refund overdraft fees." In a strong and condescending demeanor. There was no, "unfortunately, we are unable to refund". Nope, just a blatant refusal. By this time I am to tears I tell her "So you refuse to refund this money even though it is your fault?" Her response: "we will not refund your overdraft". My boyfriend took the phone and said "I hope you sleep well tonight." The woman probably has no soul. Paypal knows they can get away with this crap because they are a monopoly in a sense. If you want something off ebay there aren't very many options but paypal and umm paypal.
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